Citadel Levtac-92 .357 Magnum Tactical-Lever! It was simply the .357 case lengthened to 1.60 and used the heavier bullets of 158 grains to as much as 200 grains. Reloading is a good alternative if you can get the supplies, but from what I read things like primers are becoming harder to find as well. You have entered an incorrect email address! Primos Jelly Head Choke Tube Maximum Supertight Remington 20 Ga. Primos Jelly Head Choke Tube Maximum Supertight Remington 12 Ga. Primos Jelly Head Choke Tube Maximum Benelli-beretta 12 Ga. Uberti 1873 Cattleman NM Steel 7 1/2" .357 Mag with Retractable firing pin (356550), Taylor's & Co 1892 Alaskan Black Takedown 16" Lever Action 357 Mag - NIB, 200 Round Case Underwood Ammunition .38 Special 100gr. My factory Maxi is a 1982 also. I use regular .38 Special/.357 Magnum dies to load my .357 Maximum ammo. .30 Carbine vs .357 Magnum - milsurps.com It shouts very well that way. The big problem for me was the shape of the Contender grip which caused my hand to shake after just a few shots. Its fine. I really do want a .357 levergunbut Im perfectly confident in my .30-30. I would accept the beating and get a .44 if I did. Levers are light, easy to carry with quick target acquisition and reliability. The LGS is cleaned out. I think a lot of it is people who do not come from a hunting background and just want to look cool. Model 29 and Marlin stainless 1894 in 44. RETURN POLICY: Intrepid Shooting Sports will accept returns on firearms that arrive other than advertised in the listing. But WHATEVER YOU DO, dont use FMJ for self defense. Its an entry-level model MSRP is $972, youll pay about $200 less retail but the rifle comes tapped for a scope or rail if so desired. SAAMI documents dated 2005 list it as inactive.. can you find sace for a backpack sized tote? Im just trying to figure out why in the hell a Marlin 357 lever gun has to retail at nearly 3 times what the same gun in 30-30 retails for. Its a great shooter, almost no recoil with any .357 or .38 load and it looks good hanging on my wall. Ed Palumbo from Tualatin, OR on November 23, 2019: I spoke to a gunsmith about rebarreling a Ruger #3 falling block (single shot) to .357 Maximum and he was appalled, commenting "You'll never be able to resell it! If I didnt have to deal with CAs onerous gun registration laws, Id otherwise be glad to offer someone one of my Glock/AR sets for a .357 Mag revolver + rifle. Id bet the old timers that rode the wild and woolly west would have liked the magnum in a rifle. Clearly, these articles (and other ones like this article) hit a receptive ear/eye in the gun buying public and they say Imma get me sumodat! and poof! That it would also make a good field cartridge for hunting small and medium game is obvious. 357 Remington Maximum Load Data - Nosler HARRINGTON & RICHARDSON 158 .357 MAXIMUM RIFLE For Sale from: Intrepid Shooting Sports | Positive feedback: 98% View | Verified Seller | 1551 Completed Sales View Sellers Items SOLD - $299.00 Shipping: $20.00 (or FREE in-store pick up!) 1,254 max in one manual . (See note on Powders below or read all about various Powders.) Thats what the saddle ring designs were for. by pwl44m Thu Jul 19, 2012 7:01 pm, Post Larger game such as elk or black bear warrant a more substantial cartridge and hunting game on the open plains of the West requires more power and a flatter trajectory. It shoots factory PMC 158 gr soft points into a half inch at 50 yards. I am sure I am not the only one that is open to it but finds that it is not possible right now. I was shocked when I found out. Back in the day. It works out to about the same as a heavy loaded 38-55 in a Marlin 336. Personally I like Blue Dot, and Bullseye for plinking rounds. Within a few weeks, the company got so many complaints, they halted production and never resumed. A . Its not as slick as the old 19, but it will do the job. Brand: Winchester Firearms. Most 350 Legend bullets have a higher sectional density which means more penetration than the .357 Magnum. Max. If theyll go ahead and put the new loading gate on it (which I expect they will before long) I think Id probably move it straight to the top of the list. I really like my lever guns, also have a early JM guide gun in 45-70 and also one in 450 Marlin. by AJMD429 Sat Jul 21, 2012 2:17 pm, Post Extremely fun to shoot makes them relevant. Trying to understand why the only conclusion I can draw is that people think them as old-fashioned and slow. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. Don't like it you can turn it quick and easy. A broken case was stuck in the chamber and a bullet a ways down the barrel. Worried about scratching that brass? Going price was 399.they didnt have any..but said they had a 45 Long Colt at a discount 299easy decision. I specialize in Thompson Center barrels but also rechamber CVA, H&R, and the new Henry single shots in .357 Magnum to .357 Maximum, .350 Legend, and a number of other .35 caliber cartridges such as .35 Remington and .358/.356 Winchester. If you can't locate a H&R/NEF in 357 mag a very decent alternative is a Braztech/Rossi made scaled down clone. Available in different sizes and red dot ready, it'll fit your needs, whatever they are. Expecting it back today via UPS, cant wait to put some rounds in it this week. Once that word gets around, Henry and Brazilian made Rossi levers, and even Uberti and other Italian made Lever guns will gain more of the market share. I have a MGM barrel 24" ProHunter Contour 1:14 twist which allows me to shoot 180 grain bullets and above extremely well. A 180-grain version was added, but it was also a hollowpoint. I agree with Dave. It's another special purpose cartridge that has an eerie resemblance to the Max. Email Mike at mike@357maximum.net or call 541 956 6938. Discussion forums for GunBroker.com users. Have you actually tried looking for a .38/.357 lever gun? Was a great gun.I wish someone should resurrect it. I wish I had known Hornady was going to discontinue them, I would have stocked up on them. Maximum average pressure (MAP) was set at 40,000 psi/48,000 CUP, substantially higher than the .357 Magnum. by BAGTIC Mon Aug 13, 2012 5:14 pm, Powered by phpBB Forum Software phpBB Limited. Low supplies and very high demand. Its replete with a brass receiver, 20-inch octagonal barrel and buckhorn rear sight, so it has the classic look and feel, but also features a brass bead front sight and 10-round magazine tube. It can shoot 38 special 357 magnum and 357 maximum. Firearms returned for any reason other than damage or undisclosed conditions will be subject to a 10% restocking fee. This round is about the same thing as a 357 Max except for bore diameter. Despite the fact there is little commercial production for the .357 Remington maximum, the cartridge is well liked by hunters who understand the velocities, energy, and recoil it produces makes for a very efficient and manageable cartridge. I enjoyed your article. I have been thinking of adding a Henry Big Boy X in .357 to go along with my other lever guns, but Ive heard that .357 can be inconsistent regarding accuracy out of a carbine. Thanks for your replies. $800 was a great price.. Cold hammer-forged barrel results in ultra-precise rifling that provides exceptional accuracy and longevity. With a tuned lever action, you can unload 10 rounds in about 3 seconds: https://youtu.be/h1Wcy8HRQUo?list=TLPQMjcwNzIwMjC2VftOeStKpQ. That never happened with Ruger. Hard to beat real world experience which is mainly what this site consists of. The AR-15s in .223 are just glorified rabbit guns in my opinion. 20170926..35Cal.190gr.Fury.Jug.Test - Copy1.jpg, https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2t-barrel-length-muzzle-velocity-and-accuracy/, https://www.speer-ammo.com/products/bullets/rifle-bullets/hot-cor-rifle-bullet/2435, https://matchgrademachine.com/encore-contender-357-magnum-maximum-load-development-results/, http://hawkbullets.com/bullet-selection.html, https://cuttingedgebullets.com/shop/ets?caliber=43, http://www.accuratepowder.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/WPHandloading-Guide-7.0-Web-REV.pdf. Too bad Winchester lever guns arent still made in the USA. I much prefer .30 caliber bullets in any of those platforms. I bought a used Marlin 94c 357 in June, 2020 for $600, in 98% condition. 350 Legend vs .357 Magnum, which is more powerful? - Gun Tradition Being forced to use the Winchester Trapper, the horror. Maybe this shortage will get more people into the handloading business. Several years back I wanted a light weight all weather stainless steel single shot rifle chambered in 357 magnum, and the Rossi was the answer. .357 Maximum || .355 | 140gr | Sellier & Bellot FMJ I might have read your post incorrectly but I live in occupied Ca and I have a Rossi 92 (1892 clone) and a Taurus 605 both in .38sp/.357. As a recap on hand loads, I would suggest that anyone wishing to hunt with the .357 rifle should . 357 Remington Maximum Additional Loads Below are the all of the bullet and load recipes followed by the groups shot at distance with our 21 357 Max 1:20 Encore barrel. The werent lever actions. 357 max has one of the best resale records out there. MSRP is $1,223, but since the name on it is Marlin instead of Winchester, itll command less of a premium in-store. Shout, I mean shoots, doesnt rally shout, kind of barks. This means you have the option to read your magazine on most popular phones and tablets. Threaded barrel. Through my industry connections, I heard plenty of finger-pointing about metallurgy and propellant choices, but the ultimate outcome was that the revolver market for this cartridge simply dried up. Why wouldnt you want a .357 Magnum lever action rifle? Its nice to check back in after so many years and see that my old photos and articles are still relevant. I wrote the original TTAG book on pistol-caliber levers back in the day, and Id like to add a few points to those made in this article. It is easy to load moderately for closer range shots and lighter recoil. Walther's new Performance Duty Pistol is ready for both concealed carry and conventional service situations. Lack of inventory isnt relevance in modern times. Ruger, super Blackhawk 357, maximum 10 1/2 inch barrel in excellent condition and fire very little comes with original box and papers. 11 February 2004, 13:28 dgr416 Learn the difference between revolvers and semi-auto pistols and what makes them different. They show up now and again and they are a really fine rifle. Most of my hearing is already gone, might has well get a couple of high-pressure guns to finish it off, Most of my hearing is already gone, might has well get a couple of high-pressure guns to finish it off. I REALLY wish Mossberg would make that hideous SPX Tactical in .357. With that said, should your fancy be tickled, here are five .357 Magnum lever action rifles to look for. That keeps spent brass out of the eye of the user and today, allowing for easy mounting of a scope. 1 single-shot rifle in .357 Magnum, extra rifles without the CHP markings were offered through employee sales. The Hodgdon site gives loads for bullets from 110 gr. Which was ".357 maximum Auto Rimless." The moniker ".357 Max AR" stuck with the round for 3 reasons, 1) it was a 5.56 case expanded to straightwall, maximizing its capacity, 2) it uses load data very similar to the 357 Maximum rimmed revolver cartridge, and 3) the "Max-AR," Auto Rimless, was really only meant for use in AR-15's . by Rusty Thu Jul 19, 2012 11:22 pm, Post .44 mag would batter my hands a bit too much these days. If you have to use a long-action gun to create a .357 Maximum, then the other easier way to get the .358" bullet going that fast, is just to use a .35 Remington chambered 'factory' levergun. I told them if they were so worried about reloading they can have my brass. by Hobie Thu Jul 19, 2012 3:55 pm, Post Federal has created a safer, easier and more reliable way to shoot a muzzleloader. It is easy to load moderately for closer range shots and lighter recoil. The least amount of trouble would be to buy a 35 Remmington and be done with it. Relevant to what? In 357 max 24" Douglas premium barrel 1in16 twist shoots 180 pointed flat point over 4227 with CCI 450 primer .7 inches at 100 don't have to worry about resale I'll keep this one. The .357 Remington Maximum is the .357 Magnum revolver round lengthened .315 inch, and was basically developed by the hyper-competitive Elgin Gates, who among other things raced powerboats and obsessively hunted trophy-book big game around the world. Here are links for the articles Ive posted over the years; enjoy! plus i have very bad eyes, and kinda need a scope or a red dot to shoot in a relaxed fashion. by JerryB Thu Jul 19, 2012 3:00 pm, Post 30.30 vs. 357mag for deer hunting | Survivalist Forum When the gun fired, it behaved like all revolvers in that the powder charge in those long chambers burned at a very high temperature. bullets in barrels around 20. Before the Remington, Freedom group takeover. WOW! Additionally, .357 Magnum lever action rifles can accept optics as most are pre-tapped for scopes and can easily be fit for a tactical rail. Great for when wearing gloves. I would think it would beat the .357 Maximum, honestly. Take a lever action over an AR every day. The "U.S. Rifle, Caliber .30, Model of 1903," better-known as the M1903 Springfield, has become one of the most popular U.S. military small arms to collect. The .357 Maximum was introduced into commercial production as a joint-venture by Remington Arms Company and Ruger in 1983 as a new chambering for the Ruger Blackhawk. Then there is the 40-90 Sharps straight 3 1/4" that can be formed from Bell .405 basic cases. When Remington put the special round into production, it got a new (and prophetic) name: .357 Maximum. This means that hunters are able to control the firearm much better, making more accurate and effective shots. It came back looking like new. That all depends on the powder youre burning. Just like the CSBL, it has a 16- barrel length and an 8-shot tube magazine, an enlarged loop and swivel studsbut this model also adds a threaded barrel for adding a suppressor. Christmas is coming. This permits me to throat the MAGnum barrel with a proper minimum diameter cylindrical throat that: Given a long minimum diameter throat, a MAGnum gives better accuracy with standard MAG ammo for those wanting to shoot .357 MAGnum and .38 Special loads while also being able to essentially duplicating .350 Legend factory loadings. https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/gun-review-rossi-model-92-lever-action-45-colt/, Also not a .357, but a stunning Henry: First, I was a guy who dropped the idea, except for a special-purpose handload. Also, after breaking it in, the Rossis action (which is the major criticism for this gun) was just as smooth as the Winchesters, Marlins and Henrys I have shot. If the .35 Rem is legal where you're at, and you're wanting to build a bolt-action, I would probably go that route, as brass and ammo is much easier found than .357 Maximum brass and load data. Thompson Center Contender Stainless Steel MGM 357 Maximum 12 Barrel (1:14). Other brands and types of lead core handgun bullets tend to blow up and not penetrate into vital organs when driven at rifle velocities close in. I shot 180 hardcast lead both from Buffalo Bore and HSM bear loads. Big improvement in smothness. those .357s out of a 20 inch barrel will just bounce off the bad guys chest, I tell ya!!!!!!! Cartridge is a mite better now than 3 years ago, IMO. Night and day in service and I didnt have to wait over a month. The 40-70 Sharps straight can be formed from 405 Winchester cases. Looks like AA 1680 is the top powder choice. Prefer .44 Mag to .357, but thats just me. The Jelly Head Maximum utilizes an extended taper and fluted ports to tighten patterns up to 20 perc OUR STOCK NUMBER:13211 CONDITION: NEW IN THE BOX MAKE/MODEL: ROSSI..R-92 ACTION: LEVER RIFLE CALIBER: .357 MAGNUM/.38 SPECIAL BARREL: 20" CAPACITY: 12+1 FURNITURE: DARK BRAZILIA Uberti 1873 Cattleman II NM Steel 7 1/2" .357 Mag with Retractable firing pin (356550) This pistol is brand new in the box. by Old Ironsights Thu Jul 19, 2012 2:54 pm, Post After the hunts are over is the best time to send barrels in for customizing! My current 357 carbine is a Marlin 94 from 1998. Khalil, Ive got one in .327 Fed Mag and Im here to tell you IT IS SWEET!! Seems to me thats just about the perfect lever-action carbine caliber. It lacks a top-mounted rail (you can still install one, the receiver is pre-tapped). SAAMI maximum is 48,000, and in the closed breech guns pressures can be run at the same levels as 5.56 NATO, about 54,000 psi. 2023 The Arena Media Brands, LLC and respective content providers on this website. .357 Magnum Rifle (Hodgdon Data) reloading data with 102 loads. Most of all it shoots the same ammo as a number of revolvers I have and reload for. Mark Penrod is one. by AJMD429 Thu Jul 19, 2012 4:25 pm, Post This year, H&R announced an expansion of its AR-15 lineup, bringing additional "retro" models to the market, including a 9 mm Luger-chambered Colt SMG clone, an M16A2-styled rifle and the carbine-size 723. lever gun that I own and have ever shot, easy on the arms and has some versatility. It carries easy, at 6- lbs, with swivel studs coming standard (as does a hammer block safety) and has a large loop for fast cycling. Shipping to your FFL by insured FedEx Ground will be $45. They were discontinued for quite awhile and JMs were going for $1200 or more. I like all of them, they all have different personalities. by Hobie Fri Jul 20, 2012 7:35 am, Post JM all day but damn are they pricey if you can find them at all. Own Stock. .357 Maximum - CHUCKHAWKS.COM You can also put ketchup on a hot dog, but you shouldnt. The chrony doesnt lie: .357 levers punch well above their weight: If you want to. Here's the 357 Maximum story: Back in the 1980's there was a silhouette competition for pistols out to 200 yards. by bgmkithaca Sat Jul 21, 2012 6:32 pm, Post Joseph Von Benedikt is with Rafe Nielsen of Browning to take a look at a new X-Bolt series rifle. Yes I had one.. perry42 Nov 23, 2018 #12 The 350 Legend is faster, more powerful, and can be used in more guns than the .357 Magnum. 357 maximum load data! - ACCURATE RELOADING has the energy and accuracy needed for 200 meter silhouette shooting. The conversion was not troublesome at all other than a rebarrel and chamber job , it feeds with no modifications whatever needed. Guys that do this are, shall we saypreoccupied with velocity, which is usually the product of light bullets and fast-burning powder.I believe that a failure to appreciate the complexities of this cartridge, the bullets available for it and the proper propellants applicable were a major reason why it passed early. Thanks Muddy, 2506, hunter67, shooter7. The Speer Hot Cor 180 soft point shoots lights out and velocities are over 2200 fps. Mikey Hartman, Lt. Col. The .357 Magnum is probably the most widely-used revolver cartridge today, managing to thrive in an era where the wheelguns and associated cartridges are growing scarce. Cloudbuster It shoots pretty good. Geoff: Nope, not yet. The Lil Gun and AA1680 are max loads from my searching tho I've seen several claim you can't get enough AA1680 in the case to overload it. Put the .357 Maximum Where It Works - Shooting Times Why wouldnt you want a .357 Magnum lever action rifle? Bullets manufactured by Hornady. I agree. This fire also flowed upwards in such a way that it encountered the inside edge of the revolver topstrap. Web the.357 maximum was an effort to give you.357 magnum muzzle velocity at 200 meters. Not all rifles need to be used to kill commies. It's failure as a commercial load does not reflect poorly on it's performance, as it has become increasingly popular for handgun hunters and silhouette shooters alike. 357 Magnum Rifles | Sportsman's Warehouse 008-E503841 | MTM. If you compare a 16" 30-30 to a 16" .357 Mag, the difference is even smaller. by AJMD429 Sat Jul 21, 2012 6:57 pm, Post Also have a Winchester 1886 in 45-90, I shoot 45-70 loads in it and had no issues. Welcome to the Leverguns.Com Forum. The .357 Magnum is considerably more powerful than its parent round the .38 Special. Can we get some more ideas? But the tyrants have publicly said they hate repeating firearms. Such a longer cartridge is a pipe dream until someone steps up and makes a longer revolver cylinder. . or, H&R BARREL ONLY and $150 check or money order. Granted, it comes rather dear at $1,214 MSRP, but since the name on it is Marlin instead of Winchester, you should be able to pick it up for much less. almost 1782 psi less than 9mm 4" barrel pressure. And of course, such a gun would have to have a longer frame for the longer cylinder for the longer cartridge. Order your barrel directly from Match Grade Machine, made however you want with their standard chamber or for $125 additional post paid to you, custom chambered by me, Mike Bellm, to my specs for best accuracy with the full range of bullet weights and types. The MAGnum case with the bullet seated out holds exactly the same charge weights as factory .350 Legend ammo, 21 to 23 gr.! So naturally, I'm looking at different options and trying to figure out what has the longest range. Of commonly available rifles, 444 marlin seems to be near the top of the heap, ballistics wise. Ps should've gone with 26" would be better. ", Go toMatch Grade Machine or call them at 435 628 0071. but I can welcome You to the forum. Guns Rifles Harrington Richardson Rifles HARRINGTON RICHARDSON . The 357 Magnum is a highly regarded round for hunting and self-defense. Theyre quick-handling (crazy quick), theyre accurate, and theyve got the power to take down medium-sized game out to 150 yards with the right ammo and careful rangefinding. This was a blue-collar sport that could be pursued at relatively modest cost, using handloads in a rock-bottom minimum battery of one powerful revolver. I had owned two previously and traded them off as they were great with jacketed bullets but not lead (microgroove). This is not an issue for single-shot firearms, and the long bullet cleared the rifling in the pressure barrel and our T/C barrels. In an effort to keep the playing field dead level for all competitors, they rigidly adhered to the no-modification standard. FILE PHOTO Check out our website and use our Facebook li Taylor's & Co 1892 Alaskan Black Takedown 16 inch .357Mag Lever Action. Ruger Blackhawk .357 Maximum. A couple of people got that familiar look in their eyes and started plotting their next purchase right there. Rechamber to .350 Legend from .357 Magnum or .357 Maximum: Add $25 to mill/convert the extractor for the rebated rimless .350 Legendcase rim. .357 velocities peak in a 16 barrel and decrease thereafter. The .357 Maximum: Too Hot to Handle - An Official Journal Of The NRA The regular Marlin 1894C is priced at around $700. It was even out of warranty and they took care of it no charge. I would also point out that IHMSA was a. The hammer and bolt still make contact with each other on the side of the hammer, not just where the bolt cocks the hammer. 16.5" threaded barrel (1/2x28). Perfect. The .450 is like a 45-70 magnum. Not all of us have the ability for various reasons to reload. In short order, there was a Ruger Blackhawk Maximum and ammo to go with it.Ruger was not the only party on the Maximum bandwagon. Thats exactly the sort of info i was looking for. .357 Magnum - BallisticStudies.com Thanks for reading! There is a lot of muzzle flash with the Maximum. I would not mind adding a budget minded lever gun to my lot, something as accurate as my buddys. Good item. I use handguns for everyday carry. Max., Those who own firearms in this chambering load their own custom ammunition. Go to GB or GI and find yourself a Browning B-92 in .357. Thats what makes them lever action great. 317 1 Image (s) Ruger Blackhawk .357 Maximum, 1983, 10.5-inch, great bore, 95%, layaway Gun #: 945177475 Seller: Sportsmans Legacy GA Sales: 739 $1,750.00 Full Details 1 Image (s) ROSSI R-92 LEVER RIFLE .357 MAGNUM Gun #: 942851574 Seller: Alpha Omega Services LLC $948.60 Finally needed cash and sold it to a collector of old west guns. by bgmkithaca Wed Jul 25, 2012 9:55 am, Post Jim Rhodes Greenville, Al. I dont live in big bear country. Supply and demand. Winchester just introduced the 350 Legend for all the people who are stuck using straight walled cartridges. It was too intense and very finicky. Best of both worlds. Many would consider it a good deer cartridge, but when used in a handgun, it would be rather marginal for that purpose. 44 Mag is much more forgiving. Discuss. Those Remlins had some serious issues, and are the least desirable models of all Marlin 94s. Do the same during Deer Season, and all the critters have suddenly developed a deep phobia of open meadows you can see from far off. At least it can use use the same bullets as my Smiths. Make sure to watch till the end. Gun shows are your salvation. https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/gun-review-marlin-1894c-357-magnum/, The review after Wild West Guns rescued it: 357 maximum - Paco Kelly's Leverguns.com
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